Symposion im Gespräch mit Dipl.-Informatiker Dirk Müller, IT-Leiter der Franz Haniel & Cie. GmbH, und Dr. Roland Schütz, Chief Information Officer bei der Lufthansa Cargo, zu den Herausforderungen für das IT-Management in Zeiten von Social Media, Cloud & Co.
Die beiden Interviewpartner sind Autoren des neuen CIO-Handbuchs.
Die Interviewpartner
Dipl.-Informatiker Dirk Müller leitet seit 2011 die IT der Franz Haniel & Cie. GmbH in Duisburg, der strategischen Führungsholding des Haniel Konzerns. Zuvor war er bei Haniel mehrere Jahre in leitenden IT-Management-Positionen tätig. Schwerpunkt seines Schaffens ist die strategische Ausrichtung und organisatorische Positionierung der IT im Sinne seiner internen Kunden. In
Die beiden Interviewpartner sind Autoren des neuen CIO-Handbuchs.
Die Interviewpartner
Dipl.-Informatiker Dirk Müller leitet seit 2011 die IT der Franz Haniel & Cie. GmbH in Duisburg, der strategischen Führungsholding des Haniel Konzerns. Zuvor war er bei Haniel mehrere Jahre in leitenden IT-Management-Positionen tätig. Schwerpunkt seines Schaffens ist die strategische Ausrichtung und organisatorische Positionierung der IT im Sinne seiner internen Kunden. In
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