Mit „M&A für die Digitalbranche“, also dem Zusammenbringen von Käufern und Verkäufern von IT-Unternehmen, füllte die Firma match.IT vor zehn Jahren eine echte Nische am deutschen Beratermarkt. Seitdem ist viel passiert in der Welt der Informationstechnologie und auch das Unternehmen um Gründer und Geschäftsführer Ralf Heib hat im Laufe der Jahre sowohl an Erfahrung als auch an Bedeutung hinzugewonnen. Grund genug also, „das Zehnjährige“ zum Anlass zu nehmen, um auf die Entwicklung und den Erfolg von match.IT zurückzublicken und gleichzeitig in die spannende Zukunft von M&A im IT-Sektor zu schauen.
Das Ziel war anfangs nur grob umrissen: Als M&A-Beratung hat
Das Ziel war anfangs nur grob umrissen: Als M&A-Beratung hat
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